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Who decides whether a routine has props?  In our Studio, it is the creative decision of the Choreographer.  If you are saying you don't like props, you might as well say you don't like the choreography.  I just don't get all the "hating" of props.  When I read your replies, its not about the prop, but about YOU.
"I'm responsible for", "I'm not looking forward to" "I hated it so much"  Umm, it's not about you, its about the Dancers and their art

And how are props any different than Costume?  Why not have every dancer dance in a plain grey leotard?




LMAO!   Clearly this topic hit a nerve.

And yes ...this topic asked how people felt about props.  So we all shared how WE feel. 


You're so funny.
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I've rarely seen a prop that truly added to the piece, competition or otherwise.

It must be so nice to have a judgement that is better than a thousand choreographers
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Never mind. So not a topic worth arguing about!
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I've rarely seen a prop that truly added to the piece, competition or otherwise.


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Who decides whether a routine has props?  In our Studio, it is the creative decision of the Choreographer.  If you are saying you don't like props, you might as well say you don't like the choreography.  I just don't get all the "hating" of props.  When I read your replies, its not about the prop, but about YOU.
"I'm responsible for", "I'm not looking forward to" "I hated it so much"  Umm, it's not about you, its about the Dancers and their art

And how are props any different than Costume?  Why not have every dancer dance in a plain grey leotard?



In a thread asking about other people's opinions, you will hear what people think about something.  So, yes, you will hear "I'm not looking forward to", "I hated it so much", etc.  That's the entire purpose of the thread!

I've seen professional performances that I loved the props.  I've seen a couple of competition pieces where I thought the props where appropriate.  But typically, when you're at an event where thousands of dancers are performing hundreds of routines, and you're against the clock... then big, elaborate props are frequently just annoying, even if they do add to the piece.  That's my personal preference at a competition.  No one is saying they can't have them... we're just saying we don't like them. 

Not to mention, most people will answer questions based on their own opinions or perspectives.  If you don't want to hear what other people have to say then a public forum will really just drive you insane.  LOL
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I've rarely seen a prop that truly added to the piece, competition or otherwise.


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That was a very pretty dance, but I don't see how it refutes the other person's stance. The story could have been told without the bench. 
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I do choreograph, actually. (for adults)
And that's not judgement, it's a personal opinion.


And as I mentioned, apparently your judgement is better than thousands and thousands of choreographers that do choose to add a Prop that adds to a piece.  That's not a judgement on my behalf, it is your personal reality
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 But typically, when you're at an event where thousands of dancers are performing hundreds of routines, and you're against the clock... then big, elaborate props are frequently just annoying, even if they do add to the piece.  That's my personal preference at a competition.  No one is saying they can't have them... we're just saying we don't like them.


So in summary, you are all about the clock.  Tick-tock, tick-tock. Forget the artistry, forget the emotion, lets get there, lets get home?
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I think we are being Punk'd. 

We HAVE to be. 

I can't take this seriously.
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 But typically, when you're at an event where thousands of dancers are performing hundreds of routines, and you're against the clock... then big, elaborate props are frequently just annoying, even if they do add to the piece.  That's my personal preference at a competition.  No one is saying they can't have them... we're just saying we don't like them.


So in summary, you are all about the clock.  Tick-tock, tick-tock. Forget the artistry, forget the emotion, lets get there, lets get home?[/QUOT

Yes, you hit the nail on the head! That's exactly how Jojo is! All she cares about is "let's get home but first where's my plastic trophy"! You are too funny! And oh so perceptive!
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 But typically, when you're at an event where thousands of dancers are performing hundreds of routines, and you're against the clock... then big, elaborate props are frequently just annoying, even if they do add to the piece.  That's my personal preference at a competition.  No one is saying they can't have them... we're just saying we don't like them.


So in summary, you are all about the clock.  Tick-tock, tick-tock. Forget the artistry, forget the emotion, lets get there, lets get home?


Actually, that's not at all what I'm about.  Artistry and emotion are the most important part of the dance.... that's why I find the props unnecessary.
The fact is there are only so many hours in one weekend.  Some of these elaborate props take a very long time to set up and take down.  Dancers and their families (as well as competition judges and faculty) are spending long hours sitting at these events, so taking time to set these up and take them down is an annoyance... in my opinion.  While a prop may add an interesting feature to a dance, it never evokes emotion... the artistry and emotion comes from the dancers, not the inanimate object they bring on the stage with them.  And if the dancer can't bring that to the performance themselves then the addition of a prop isn't going to either.

eta - like I said, I've seen props that I've loved as part of professional performances... or even in a recital.  But a competition stage is not really the best time to have them.... in my opinion...
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I've rarely seen a prop that truly added to the piece, competition or otherwise.


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That was a very pretty dance, but I don't see how it refutes the other person's stance. The story could have been told without the bench. 


I wasn't trying to refute her stance.  I'm fully willing to believe that she's rarely seen a prop that truly added to a piece.  I happen to think that this particular prop added to this particular dance, and it is probably my favorite of all the comp dances my kids have ever done, so I shared it.  I don't expect everyone to like the dance or to agree that the bench is a key part of the piece.  Just sharing.  

I'm not sure what you mean by "the story could have been told without the bench".  Of course one could choreograph a lovely dance to this song without a bench.  I just thought this choreography was quite lovely and many parts of it did require the bench.  

I personally dislike when a prop like a chair or bench is just there on the stage as scenery and not really used for any of the dancing.  For example, a dance where the dancer is waking up and they bring a bed on stage for her to wake from, but then she never touches the bed again for the rest of the dance.  That's the kind of thing I was thinking of as a prop that doesn't add to the dance.

I kind of thought this particular thread was more of a conversation than a debate.
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Neither DD has ever had a prop for their solo.....until now. Older has 3, count them 3! I am in full on freak out panic mode. After changing the song choice 3 times she has just finished choreo and our first competition is next weekend. Add to that the 3 props: a coat rack, a men's coat and and envelope. It is entirely possible I may stroke out. Of course DD and DT are cool as cucumbers. The consolation is I love the dance, and I love the song ( can't let go by Adele, I know Adele collective groan) but it just seems like a lot that could go wrong out of her control.



I'm sorry but I'm laughing hysterically at this (bold).  Always the way right ... deep breaths mom.  It will all work out ...
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I do choreograph, actually. (for adults)
And that's not judgement, it's a personal opinion.


And as I mentioned, apparently your judgement is better than thousands and thousands of choreographers that do choose to add a Prop that adds to a piece.  That's not a judgement on my behalf, it is your personal reality


This is one of the most interesting twists to someone's words I've ever seen.  And, the most fascinating thing is, I really do think it makes sense to you.
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Fortunately we don't use props a lot.  Rarely.  This year we have a couple "small" props.  If you'd even call them that ... backpacks that get flung to the floor during the dance and a fake bouquet of black flowers.  Whew!  That's it.  I think props are more energy and time and MOST times not even worth it.

To the OP - good luck with the tree.
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Who decides whether a routine has props?  In our Studio, it is the creative decision of the Choreographer.  If you are saying you don't like props, you might as well say you don't like the choreography.  I just don't get all the "hating" of props.  When I read your replies, its not about the prop, but about YOU.
"I'm responsible for", "I'm not looking forward to" "I hated it so much"  Umm, it's not about you, its about the Dancers and their art

And how are props any different than Costume?  Why not have every dancer dance in a plain grey leotard?



I feel like if the studio / DT choose to have a prop then it should be their responsibility to haul it to the competitions. 
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And as I mentioned, apparently your judgement is better than thousands and thousands of choreographers that do choose to add a Prop that adds to a piece.  That's not a judgement on my behalf, it is your personal reality


You convinced me. My opinion is 100% changed.
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I do choreograph, actually. (for adults)
And that's not judgement, it's a personal opinion.


And as I mentioned, apparently your judgement is better than thousands and thousands of choreographers that do choose to add a Prop that adds to a piece.  That's not a judgement on my behalf, it is your personal reality


This is one of the most interesting twists to someone's words I've ever seen.  And, the most fascinating thing is, I really do think it makes sense to you.


Oh I don't know. I think most of the time Gandalf just comes here to say the most outrageous things she can think of to get a rise out of everyone. Typical troll behavior. I honestly don't think she believes a word of what she says.
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Clearly this "drive-by" has concluded.
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I don't generally like big props. Our studio uses small ones occasionally. A mirror, a flower maybe, and last year for dd's duet to "Think" they carried books in the beginning. This year we are using a bench for one of our groups. I have a Honda Civic so I know I won't be the one to transport it, lol.  

But these big ones that take up a lot of time to set up? No thanks.
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And how are props any different than Costume?  Why not have every dancer dance in a plain grey leotard?



A costume, no matter how pretty or ugly, or how much I like it or hate it, isn't going to take up all the space in my car, if it fits at all, or break my back hauling up and down stairs. 


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And how are props any different than Costume?  Why not have every dancer dance in a plain grey leotard?



A costume, no matter how pretty or ugly, or how much I like it or hate it, isn't going to take up all the space in my car, if it fits at all, or break my back hauling up and down stairs. 




Or take 15 minutes to assemble onstage before the dance
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I see a lot of talk about props, which to me are smaller items. It might include something like a bench. But, some of what we are talking about here are actually set pieces. I remember seeing a giant pink house for a number. The dancers came out from the doors and some peeked out through windows. It was huge. To me, it seemed like a big giant thing that was more for show than about the number. In contrast, I remember seeing what looked like a Barbie Dreamhouse in a youtube video. Another huge set piece, fairly similar.  But, in that video, the house was in constant use. There were always dancers coming out of it, dancing on it, etc. 

Either way, I'm glad I never had to transport something like that! I would hope that the studio arranges for something like that, even if it is arranging it with parents who hopefully are paid at least a tiny stipend for that. I know that in reality, it is likely parent volunteers... but maybe that is not the case at the big mega studios? 
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In the past, DD had a lollipop as a prop, and another time she had a surf board (the size of a large boogie board - not a full surfboard. It was a styrofoam prop). I always worried that we would forget them, but I never did. I'm a natural-born worrier.

This year, DD14's tap solo has a stool. I have been asking DT for about 6 weeks if we need to do anything with it, but she hadn't decided.  Saturday evening, DD came home from the studio with her stool. DT wants it painted glossy black. Great, why didn't I have it weeks ago? Our first comp is this weekend! On top of that, I have been sick with bronchitis, I work a full-time job, both girls have appointments with specialists, and DH is having surgery in 1-1/2 weeks! Plus I still have to put sequins on the black fishnet tights that we finally got in, and I have to sew a few stitches in the jacket of one dance costume, plus probably will need to tack the front of this solo costume, and I really don't sew so it will be done by hand. By the way, I don't even HAVE this dance costume, because DT has it so she can finish stoning it. Oh, yeah, I also promised my nephew I would watch one of his basketball games, and he's down to the last several games of the season, so I will go to one this week. And, DD has a "get to know us" party at the high school which she was accepted into, not to mention normal dance classes. Oh, yeah, she still needs a nude colored bra.

No pressure - right? Good thing I'm a dance mom - we have super powers! The weird part is that I'm only now feeling stressed about this.
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I hate props!!! Because of our location we can only travel to competition by plane ... It was so much fun trying to explain to TSA why DD's cane's topped with massive fake diamonds had to be hand luggage and couldn't be packed into the belly of the plane ... Though, I felt better when I saw another mother having to transport a chair.  This year Neither of my girls have props!  So Happy!!!!

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