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How does your studio do their competition team tryouts? Who judges? What do the kids do? And is there more than one team, multiple lines? Is there a set of skills required to make a certain line? Are the dancers ever placed in more than one line or level? I am just curious how things work at other studios! Thanks!
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Existing team members do not have to try out year over year.  If they've invited back, they get a letter that indicates what they've been invited to and yes, they can be dropped or raised a level via this process, dropped entirely from a genre (you're no longer invited to compete in tap), or they can be split based on genre (on the Teen team for ballet, but senior/elite team for tap, for example).  You really have to read the letter carefully!  

New people have to audition for the two studio owners.  I don't know what goes on in the auditions these days but back when DD auditioned (at age 8.5 - 8 years ago!), she had to perform specific tasks at their request in tap, jazz and ballet.  Took about 30 minutes one-on-one with the owners.  Very few get on the full-time team past about the age of 11 or so.  They're sent to part-time instead (or recreational if appropriate).  Only kids coming in from a solid full-time environment at another studio are likely to make it through.  That turns into a situation of a small older team and huge younger team.  Not their intention, I'm sure, but it's how it's turned out.  As kids drop dance due to high school, etc., there's no one filling the gap from outside.
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Our studio does not audition for lines/groups/d/t/s. They audition for teams and they dance together as a team. So it can be varying ages on a team because they are put together by ability.
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DD's studio is super small.  They do auditions but it's for placement only and see how potential team members fit in.
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What does a "line" refer to?

The studio my DD attends has a number of different teams based on age and also skill set. It is nice because it enables dancers who maybe didn't start until later or love dancing but maybe don't have natural talent can still have performing opportunities and they don't have to compete against kids who have been dancing since they were 3.

The process is that the dancer signs up for a audition and puts which placement they hope for and what other placement they would accept (usually for an age group there are two to three possibilities). Parents are not allowed to watch the auditions so I have no idea how they are run and my DD is too young to really articulate the experience.
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Returning dancers also have to audition. They all make it but the SO wants to see the new dancers dancing with the current team and see how they dance together. We have 6 performing company teams (pre-company, petite, mini, Junior, teen & Senior) and 2 Intermediate company teams (Mini & Junior) but only have 3 audition age groups (Mini, Junior and Teen/Senior)

Our auditions run similar to those scholarship auditions at conventions. They do a jazz/lyrical combo, a ballet combo and a tap combo in small groups. SO places new kids with different groups of current team. 

After the audition, new dancers and current team members are called in with their parents. New kids get to find out the team placements. Some try out for Junior but only placed on Mini team, some try out for mini then get asked to try out again w Junior company. Some of the new kids made Intermediate company, and I saw many parents got mad. Intermediate company is more like a transition team for those who didn't have good training to dance with the kids who've been taking more classes and 4-5 hours of ballet/week. They are encouraged to try out for performing company the following year.

There are also apprentices who take all the classes and conventions with performing company but not in the competition dances. They also have to try out and make the team to do that.
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My daughter's auditioning for the first time this year.  At our studio, the two youngest groups (minis and nuggets) are invited, they don't audition.  When Jess' team went up form mini to petite last year, they didn't audition but this year they are.  From what I'm told, existing dancers all make it.  They are given a combo to do.  The team's also been asked to stay for the older girls' audition time because they may see how some dance together to do some larger group dances.  We go on Thursday.
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DD's studio is super small.  They do auditions but it's for placement only and see how potential team members fit in.


Our studio does the same. We only have one team, though hip hop is done a little different in that they allow dancers to be pre-comp if they aren't doing anything else (rest of the team, except the youngest, are advanced). The youngest level is invite only but the rest have to "audition" to reconfirm their commitment each year or to try something new.
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At our current "studio", which you may have seen me say it is more of a company(kinda like Project 21, on maybe a lower caliber), you audition once and that's the end of it. You have a bit of an interview with DT, you mostly talk about past experience, commitment, performances, etc. Then DT assesses your abilities to see if you'd be a good fit and who to place you with. However, if she doesn't think you'd be a good fit for the groups, I'm pretty sure she would choreograph solos for those who'd still like to compete.

At our old studio, auditions were different every year. We auditioned for the comp team 3 separate times(you reaudition every season). The first year, DD was required to be at the studio all day and had to wear a black leo and black bottoms. The morning was spent learning audition combos appropriate for the age and level you were trying to audition for in each style comp dance you were hoping to do. At this studio, you were guaranteed a spot on the team no matter what(except the petite team, this is invitation only), it just was a matter of how many dances and which level you would be at. There was a break for lunch where the dancers also socialized and met the teachers. After lunch, the dancers went over the combos a couple more times with the teachers and then had a bit of time to work on their own on whatever they wanted. Then, the dancers were given numbers and they went in order of the numbers they were all given. They went in groups of two to perform the combos for the teachers and the teachers asked each of them a few questions regarding experience and personality questions. After performing their combos, they were asked to perform a series of skills of varying difficulties to get a look at each dancer's technique, flexibility, and ability levels. Then they got the opportunity to do their favorite skill, whatever it was. At the end of the day, results were posted at the door of the studio. DD really didn't like this method, it took all day and she thought it was weird that they went in pairs. The second year, they had to do the studio's summer intensive where they knew what skills they needed to work on and learned the combos beforehand. On the day of actual auditions, they were each given numbers and they again went in pairs. These auditions were judged/scored by outside teachers that didn't work at the studio because there was some talk of bias the year before. However, the auditions were videotaped so the instructors could still watch and review them if they were unsure of the scoring. This time they were required to wear their hair in a bun, a plain white fitted tshirt, and black pants or shorts(form fitting). They went in, did the combos, then performed the skills they were asked to do, and then their favorite skill. DD still didn't like the going in in pairs thing, and she didn't like that they spent all summer working on combos just for the audition. Again, results were posted on the door of the studio, by number. The third year(the beginning of this season), dancers that wanted to audition were still required to do summer intensive, but this time they focused on technique and flexibility, then the week before auditions was spent learning the audition combos. There was an entire day dedicated to auditions, but this was a lot nicer because the dancers chose an "appointment" in 15 minute intervals for each style that they wanted to audition for. Basically, you could be in and out in an hour if you wanted to be. One studio was open for stretching, warming up, and rehearsing, while the others were taken for the auditions. Again, they brought in separate teachers to judge auditions, except they weren't videotaped, just monitored by teachers. This time, everyone auditioned separately, which DD liked much better, but most kids were not a fan of. Dancers got to choose what they wore to auditions as long as it would be considered "appropriate dance attire", which at this studio, was just about anything except jeans. DD wore a plum colored leo with black formfitting capri pants. Upon arrival, dancers filled out a questionnaire. In auditions, they had the option to perform a dance of their choice in the style they were auditioning for or they could use the previously taught audition combos. Then they had to a few skills, but there was a separate interval set aside for "technique related" stuff. In this time they also got to do their favorite, or "best" skill. Basically a skill that they'd like to show off that they felt was unique to them. DD liked auditions this time around much better because it was more professional and one on one. She also liked not having to work on combos all summer and not having to be there all day. Results were posted on the door of the studio.
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Both studios we attended were invite only for company. 

For existing company members at studio they make a decision based on last years class performance as well as the mandatory summer intensive classes.  You get your invite telling you what company you are in and then they continue to assess through September before they hand out invites for actual competition group routines.  They also continue to assess until November before they hand out invites for s/d/t.  Just because you get placed on senior company doesn't mean you will be in all the senior company dances and sometimes they will have some of the intermediate dancers dance up for certain routines.

New students can come and take the summer intensive classes as their audition or if they miss those they can ask for a private audition with the SO and DT.
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What does a "line" refer to?

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A line refers to a group dance larger than a large group, usually 17+ dancers in competition dance. The reason it is being discussed in relation to auditions is because some studios require that a dancer first be placed in a line in for a genre, then to a large group, then small group etc. So if dancers want to compete in jazz, it starts with a line and then narrows down to the more exclusive groups. This is often how mega studios operate. It obviously leads to dancers having many many competition groups if they want to compete in several genres.
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Our competition team is audition by invitation, and basically if you get an invitation you will be on dance team. We have had kids show up without an invitation and no one has made team that way. Auditions are to decide who gets to compete in what groups. Everyone is automatically in the production and everyone can have a solo or duet by request if they want to pay for it, even if they aren't "good enough" to be in group dances. Kids are supposed to wear a black leotard and black shorts, hair in a bun, pink or tan tights. White shirt and black pants for the gentlemen. It's virtually the only time of the year most everyone follows the uniform rules, lol.

The last couple of years the DT has taught combos for all styles we compete in (jazz, tap, lyrical) during the regularly scheduled team class 2 weeks before recital. The kids attend the class for the team they are currently on and the team they hope to move up to. So my DD7 just attended the first level of team since it was her first year, but kids who were already on team attended the first level and the second level that week or the second and third level. Parents video and the combos are posted on the private team page for kids to refer to and practice. The next week, right before recital the kids attend the team class times again and perform the audition combos for the genres of the groups they hope to be in, as well as have class to assess skills in center and across the floor. The teachers put the kids into different groupings and take notes. They wear numbers and act like they don't know who they are which I find hilarious. All of the teachers involved in team (3 of them now) attend and sit at a table in the front of the room and take notes and whisper amongst themselves the whole time. In the past they have brought in different adjudicators but they were all previously affiliated with the studio too and knew the kids, so it was kind of silly.

They pass out team letters to include technique levels and groups the kids are in at the end of the recital and threaten the kids not to open them until they get home to try and lower the drama quotient (or at least keep it between texting moms later!). I'm still patiently waiting for them to post a master group list a month later, but we've all pretty much figured out who's in what at this point!
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We are a very small studio so if you want to compete, you have to attend the "summer camp" -which is regular classes for about 6 weeks during the summer to be considered.  The SO teaches most of the classes and observes to see skill level.  If you are returning comp, you also have to attend the camp.   At that time, SO will send out letters to offer new members to join, and returning comp to re-commit.

However, since we are very small we are looking for dancers to participate - several years we just didn't have enough dancers to put groups together.  It's of course not only the dancer, but really also the commitment of the parents for team.  We had  18 girls total for the whole studio last year.  Once you are selected, you may choose to do a solo if you'd like, dancer/parents choice.  SO is also open to duo/trio suggestions from the dancer.

Groups are assembled by SO based on talent/how they dance together/skill level.
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We are a very small studio so if you want to compete, you have to attend the "summer camp" -which is regular classes for about 6 weeks during the summer to be considered.  The SO teaches most of the classes and observes to see skill level.  If you are returning comp, you also have to attend the camp.   At that time, SO will send out letters to offer new members to join, and returning comp to re-commit.

However, since we are very small we are looking for dancers to participate - several years we just didn't have enough dancers to put groups together.  It's of course not only the dancer, but really also the commitment of the parents for team.  We had  18 girls total for the whole studio last year.  Once you are selected, you may choose to do a solo if you'd like, dancer/parents choice.  SO is also open to duo/trio suggestions from the dancer.

Groups are assembled by SO based on talent/how they dance together/skill level.


In the ENTIRE studio? Wow! How do they stay open? Are you in a small town? This just floors me. Our entire comp team, at last count, was mid 90s. My dd's 'subteam' has more dancers than your entire studio!! Dance studios are also a dime a dozen around here too. Mind blown.
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this was the first time we had to audition for our slot.  everyone made the team (and our owner prides her self in that fact that she gives everyone a chance) so we were really auditioning on where we find within a team. 
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A line refers to a group dance larger than a large group, usually 17+ dancers in competition dance. The reason it is being discussed in relation to auditions is because some studios require that a dancer first be placed in a line in for a genre, then to a large group, then small group etc. So if dancers want to compete in jazz, it starts with a line and then narrows down to the more exclusive groups. This is often how mega studios operate. It obviously leads to dancers having many many competition groups if they want to compete in several genres.


Thanks for the explanation! 
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In the ENTIRE studio? Wow! How do they stay open? Are you in a small town? This just floors me. Our entire comp team, at last count, was mid 90s. My dd's 'subteam' has more dancers than your entire studio!! Dance studios are also a dime a dozen around here too. Mind blown.


We had 14 on our comp team 7 SR and 7 JR.  There are a couple of girls in those age groups that take dance but don't compete and then of course a handful on little ones.  Our studio is a startup that just finished their 2nd year.  We are in the suburbs of Chicago so definitely not a small town.  I could spit and hit 10 other comp studios.  They stay alive because 1) they have a super small studio and 2) they also have a musical theater focus so there are several kids associated with those classes plus private voice lessons.  They also rent out the studio for community theaters to rehearse dance numbers for their musical theater performances.

The 1 bad thing is that DD15 who is on the senior team, doesn't know if she'll have a team to dance with next season.  3 of the 7 graduated and 2 more are going in to high school.  1 for sure isn't coming back (honestly a good thing because she's not a nice girl) and the other got accepted on to her schools Poms team and is trying to figure out if she can do both.  1 other girl also does her high school dance team.  She competed the last 2 years but really didn't sound committed about next year.  So we'll see.  If not DD15 will do solos/duos/trios and then help with the JR team.  Either way we'll stay because this is by far the best studio experience she's had in 9 years of dancing.  And she's grown so much as a dancer.
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We had 14 on our comp team 7 SR and 7 JR.  There are a couple of girls in those age groups that take dance but don't compete and then of course a handful on little ones.  Our studio is a startup that just finished their 2nd year.  We are in the suburbs of Chicago so definitely not a small town.  I could spit and hit 10 other comp studios.  They stay alive because 1) they have a super small studio and 2) they also have a musical theater focus so there are several kids associated with those classes plus private voice lessons.  They also rent out the studio for community theaters to rehearse dance numbers for their musical theater performances.

The 1 bad thing is that DD15 who is on the senior team, doesn't know if she'll have a team to dance with next season.  3 of the 7 graduated and 2 more are going in to high school.  1 for sure isn't coming back (honestly a good thing because she's not a nice girl) and the other got accepted on to her schools Poms team and is trying to figure out if she can do both.  1 other girl also does her high school dance team.  She competed the last 2 years but really didn't sound committed about next year.  So we'll see.  If not DD15 will do solos/duos/trios and then help with the JR team.  Either way we'll stay because this is by far the best studio experience she's had in 9 years of dancing.  And she's grown so much as a dancer.



14 on the comp team is different from 14 in the entire studio. That's what I was wondering. Does the poster have 18 in the ENTIRE studio and if so, is it a new studio? Because that would probably explain the 18 in the entire studio. My own dd was on a small comp team, 15-20 depending on the year, at prev studio but they also had 350 rec dancers.
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14 on the comp team is different from 14 in the entire studio. That's what I was wondering. Does the poster have 18 in the ENTIRE studio and if so, is it a new studio? Because that would probably explain the 18 in the entire studio. My own dd was on a small comp team, 15-20 depending on the year, at prev studio but they also had 350 rec dancers.


You even bolded the sentence when I said there's only a couple girls who dance but don't compete as well as a few little kids - so our entire studio only has 18-20 total dancers (14 comp plus a handful of rec dancers 14 + approx. 5 = approx. 19).  Even with the 10 musical theater students, we're nowhere near 350.  That's the entire studio.  And as I said we're losing at least 4 dancers maybe 5 and I have no idea if we'll gain any especially at the SR level.
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We had 14 on our comp team 7 SR and 7 JR.  There are a couple of girls in those age groups that take dance but don't compete and then of course a handful on little ones.  Our studio is a startup that just finished their 2nd year.  We are in the suburbs of Chicago so definitely not a small town.  I could spit and hit 10 other comp studios.  They stay alive because 1) they have a super small studio and 2) they also have a musical theater focus so there are several kids associated with those classes plus private voice lessons.  They also rent out the studio for community theaters to rehearse dance numbers for their musical theater performances.

The 1 bad thing is that DD15 who is on the senior team, doesn't know if she'll have a team to dance with next season.  3 of the 7 graduated and 2 more are going in to high school.  1 for sure isn't coming back (honestly a good thing because she's not a nice girl) and the other got accepted on to her schools Poms team and is trying to figure out if she can do both.  1 other girl also does her high school dance team.  She competed the last 2 years but really didn't sound committed about next year.  So we'll see.  If not DD15 will do solos/duos/trios and then help with the JR team.  Either way we'll stay because this is by far the best studio experience she's had in 9 years of dancing.  And she's grown so much as a dancer.


We are with a small studio in the Chicago area too.  We have around 25-30 kids on our competition team, and we have the same issue with keeping high school kids because of poms teams.  I'd love to hear how it works for your dd to stick around when there aren't a lot of others her age, because I think that's where my dd will be in a couple of years ...





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You even bolded the sentence when I said there's only a couple girls who dance but don't compete as well as a few little kids - so our entire studio only has 18-20 total dancers (14 comp plus a handful of rec dancers 14 + approx. 5 = approx. 19).  Even with the 10 musical theater students, we're nowhere near 350.  That's the entire studio.  And as I said we're losing at least 4 dancers maybe 5 and I have no idea if we'll gain any especially at the SR level.


I understood that you gave YOUR explanation. I'm was wondering about theirs. If all 18 kids in the ENTIRE studio are on the comp team. How do THEY do it? I understand YOUR situation, privates, renting out rooms, plus musical theater, and whatever else I missed. I'm sure their answer would have been similar but it doesn't seem like they have been back. Oh well. Time to move on to bigger and better things.
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In the ENTIRE studio? Wow! How do they stay open? Are you in a small town? This just floors me. Our entire comp team, at last count, was mid 90s. My dd's 'subteam' has more dancers than your entire studio!! Dance studios are also a dime a dozen around here too. Mind blown.


Sorry I wasn't clear  - 18 dancers that compete.
Our studio total is maybe 300. We are a small town.  There are larger local studios - for example one nearby that takes about 90 on their comp team.  But much bigger studio.  We have local studios that are even smaller than ours *gasp*.

It makes me giggle though that in a lot of competitions we go to - One individual dancer has more dances than our entire studio.. (9 dances this year - 7 solos and 2 groups)

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Sorry I wasn't clear  - 18 dancers that compete.
Our studio total is maybe 300. We are a small town.  There are larger local studios - for example one nearby that takes about 90 on their comp team.  But much bigger studio.  We have local studios that are even smaller than ours *gasp*.

It makes me giggle though that in a lot of competitions we go to - One individual dancer has more dances than our entire studio.. (9 dances this year - 7 solos and 2 groups)



Thanks! Sounds kind of like our old studio.
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At my daughter's first studio, she was put in the mini tap class by her teacher when she was six and then she was in competition from there. She did tap for five years and then joined the same girls in their jazz comp team when she was 10. The SO was a little concerned that she join the team with little jazz training and her joining was conditional on how she did and she was able to catch up (they were not that advanced).
At our second studio, there was a day of tryouts for 11 and under and 12 and over. It was a couple of hours and they learned a combo and did leaps and turns and extensions in front of DT/SO. The studio made every dancer tryout every year but it really was just going thru the motions. I found out later that the year my daughter tried out she was the only new person and pretty much the audition was all about finding out how much she could dance. Then afterward they would post the dances that you were in. everyone that tried out was put i n production. after my daughter graduated they got more elaborate and had a weeklong intensive with audtions at the end.
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